different between would vs woulder

English

Alternative forms

• wou'd (obsolete)

Etymology

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Pronunciation

• (stressed)
  • (UK, US, General Australian) IPA^(key): /w?d/
  • Rhymes: -?d
• (unstressed)
  • (UK, US, General Australian) IPA^(key): /w?d/, /?d/
• Homophones: wood

Verb

would

1. (heading) As a past-tense form of will.
   1. (obsolete) Wished, desired (something). [9^th-19^thc.]
   2. (archaic) Wanted to ( + bare infinitive). [from 9^thc.]
      • 1852, James Murdock, trans. Johann Lorenz Mosheim, Institutes of Ecclesiastical History, II.7.iii:

        The Greeks, especially those who would be thought adepts in mystic theology, ran after fantastic allegories […].

   3. Used to; was or were habitually accustomed to ( + bare infinitive); indicating an action in the past that happened repeatedly or commonly. [from 9^thc.]
      • 2009, "Soundtrack of my life", The Guardian, 15 March:

        When we were kids we would sit by the radio with a tape recorder on a Sunday, listening out for the chart songs we wanted to have.

   4. Used with bare infinitive to form the "anterior future", indicating a futurity relative to a past time. [from 9^thc.]
      • 1867, Anthony Trollope, Last Chronicle of Barset, Ch.28:

        That her Lily should have been won and not worn, had been, and would be, a trouble to her for ever.

      • Thanks to that penny he had just spent so recklessly [on a newspaper] he would pass a happy hour, taken, for once, out of his anxious, despondent, miserable self. It irritated him shrewdly to know that these moments of respite from carking care would not be shared with his poor wife, with careworn, troubled Ellen.
   5. (archaic) Used with ellipsis of the infinitive verb, or postponement to a relative clause, in various senses. [from 9^thc.]
      • 1724, Daniel Defoe, Roxana, Penguin p.107:

        He sat as one astonish'd, a good-while, looking at me, without speaking a Word, till I came quite up to him, kneel'd on one Knee to him, and almost whether he would or no, kiss'd his Hand […].

      • 1846, "A New Sentimental Journey", Blackwoods Magazine, vol.LX, no.372:

        If I could fly, I would away to those realms of light and warmth – far, far away in the southern clime […].
   6. Was determined to; loosely, could naturally have been expected to (given the tendencies of someone's character etc.). [from 18^thc.]
      • 1835, Charles Dickens, Sketches by Boz, V:

        Then he took to breeding silk-worms, which he would bring in two or three times a day, in little paper boxes, to show the old lady […].

      • 2009, "Is the era of free news over?", The Observer, 10 May:

        The free access model, the media magnate said last week, was "malfunctioning". Well he would, wouldn't he?

2. (heading) As a modal verb, the subjunctive of will.
   1. Used to give a conditional or potential "softening" to the present; might, might wish. [from 9^thc.]
      • 2008, Mark Cocker, "Country Diary", The Guardian, 3 November:

        It's a piece of old folklore for which I would love to find hard proof.

   2. Used as the auxiliary of the simple conditional modality (with a bare infinitive); indicating an action or state that is conditional on another. [from 9^thc.]
      • 2010, The Guardian, 26 February:

        Warnock admitted it would be the ideal scenario if he received a Carling Cup winners' medal as well as an England call-up […].

   3. (chiefly archaic) Might wish ( + verb in past subjunctive); often used in the first person (with or without that) in the sense of "if only". [from 13^thc.]
      • 1859, John Bunyan, The Pilgrim's Progress,

        I presently wished, would that I had been in their clothes! would that I had been born Peter! would that I had been born John!

      • 1868, Sir Walter Scott, Ivanhoe, Ch.23:

        I would she had retained her original haughtiness of disposition, or that I had a larger share of Front-de-Bœuf's thrice-tempered hardness of heart!

      • 1912, Philostratus, Life of Apollonius of Tyana, translated by F. C. Conybeare (Loeb Classical Library), 8.16:

        But as the youth increased their annoyance by declaring that the goddess was quite right, because the Emperor was Archon Eponym of the city of Athens, he said: "Would that he also presided the Panathenaic festival."

   4. Used to impart a sense of hesitancy or uncertainty to the present; might be inclined to. Now sometimes colloquially with ironic effect. [from 15^thc.]
      • 2009, Nick Snow, The Rocket's Trail, p.112:

        “Those trials are being run by the American army so surely you must have access to the documents?” “Well, yeah, you’d think.”

      • 2010, Terry Pratchett, "My case for a euthanasia tribunal", The Guardian, 2 February:

        Departing on schedule with the help of a friendly doctor was quite usual. Does that still apply? It would seem so.

   5. Used interrogatively to express a polite request; are (you) willing to …? [from 15^thc.]

   6. (chiefly archaic, transitive or control verb) Might desire; wish (something). [from 15^thc.]
      • 1608, William Shakespeare, King Lear, I.4:

        What dost thou professe? What would’st thou with vs?

Usage notes

• As an auxiliary verb, would is followed by the bare infinitive (without to):

  John said he would have fish for dinner.

• Would is frequently contracted to 'd, especially after a pronoun (as in I'd, you'd, and so on).
• The term would-be retains the senses of both desire and potentiality (those of wannabe and might-be, respectively).
• Indicating a wish, would takes a clause in the past subjunctive (irrealis) mood; this clause may or may not be introduced with that. Most commonly in modern usage, it is followed by the adverb rather, as in I would rather that he go now. A call to a deity or other higher power is sometimes interposed after would and before the subjunctive clause, as in Would to God that […] ; see the citations page for examples.
• When used, mainly archaically, in the sense of "if only", the first-person subject pronoun is often omitted.

Synonyms

• (indicating an action in the past that happened repeatedly or commonly): used to
• (used to express a polite request): be so good as to, kindly, please

Translations

Note: many languages express some meanings of would using a mood or tense rather than by a particular word.

Related terms

• will - present tense of would
• wouldn't - negative of would
• wouldst - archaic second person singular form of would
• would like
• would've

Noun

would (plural woulds)

1. Something that would happen, or would be the case, under different circumstances; a potentiality.

See also

• could
• should
• Appendix:English modal verbs
• Appendix:English tag questions
• Modal verbs on Wikipedia.Wikipedia

English

Etymology

would +? -er

Noun

woulder (plural woulders)

1. (rare) Someone who would.
   • 1583, Robert Harrison, “A Little Treatise vppon the firste Verse of the 122. Psalm”, as printed in Leland Henry Carlson and Albert Peel (editors, 1953), Elizabethan Non-Conformist Texts, Volume II: The Writings of Robert Harrison and Robert Browne, Routledge (2003), ?ISBN, pages 91–92:

     It is not ynough to be wishers and woulders, as manie be at this daye counted religious and fauourers of gouernement, because they can saye: O wee muste praye, we me must pray: thereby satisfying them selues and others, being not a little gladd, that they may buye it so cheape, to sitt at their ease, and folowe the worlde.

   • a. 1636, Samuel Ward, “Balm from Gilead to Recover Conscience”, in J. C. Ryle (editor), Sermons and Treatises, James Nichol (publisher, 1862), page 103:

     […] ; but then it must be meant, not every languishing and lazy flash of every wisher and woulder, but of a willer; and […]

   • 1989, Mr. Wall, transcribed in FSLIC Assistance Programs: Hearing Before the Committee on Banking, Finance, and Urban Affairs, House of Representatives, One Hundred First Congress, First Session, January 10, 1989,^[1] page 48:

     If we could deal with woulders and coulders, we would have a lot here.

Verb

woulder

1. Alternative spelling of woulda